Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]

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  • they invaded chechnia

    Chechnya was a part of Russia. Russia fought separatists. With NATO’s approval. The part of the Russian government that supported the Chechen separatists was shelled by pro-NATO forces’ tanks.
    Also, if you support the Chechen separatists and think that Russia invaded Chechnya, then you should also support the pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.

    and georgia

    Georgia attacked South Ossetian separatists and peacekeepers. Russia responded. As a result of this conflict, the only territory that Russia got was South Ossetia, and the human price of this conflict is very small compared to the atrocities that NATO commits regularly.

    As a response other neighbouring countries were like “fuck that” and joined NATO for their own security

    Which ‘neighbouring countries’ did that? And how would any of that justify joining the most evil polity in the world?
    The vast majority of Russia’s neighbours didn’t have military-related issues with Russia. Only Georgia - which was even the de jure aggressor, - and Ukraine - which experienced a coup, with the resulting government immediately trying to bring weapons to the border with Russia’s most populated areas.

    russia interprets that as aggressive nato expansion

    NATO did promise to not expand past Berlin. This promise has been broken time and time again.
    Furthermore, NATO is the most evil polity in the world, and the most prolific invader. The rest of the world has every right to defend itself against it, and its allies do not get to appeal to a moral right to any sort of defense.


  • nato propaganda is “we need to send tons of arms so ukrainians can defend their country”

    Also, ‘we need to do a coup in Ukraine’.
    Also, ‘we need to invade Iraq because reasons’.
    Also, ‘we need to invade Afghanistan because reasons’.
    Also, ‘we need to invade Iran because reasons’.
    Also, ‘we need to do a Lebensraum in Palestine because reasons’.
    And so on, and so forth.
    The ‘Russia bad’ sort of propaganda pales in comparison to that, actually, but it is still used to justify NATO’s hegemony over the world.

    ukraine - a country with a gdp of 42 billion $ in 2014 took up soo much debt it could never repay it after the war.

    And NATO (along with pro-NATO anti-communists in Ukraine and Russia)

    it´s gonna privatize all assets

    The unpopular privatisation of assets was already underway by 2022, even if we exclude the 1990s that severely damaged the living standards in Ukraine.

    my point still stands: russia is spreading misinfo like crazy and OP keeps reposting it.

    NATO has been spreading misinformation much more aggressively, to the point of most people in English-speaking places being convinced that NATO and the Ukrainian nazi state are somehow on the right side of history here.


  • the regular worker just doesn´t want to get bombed or get caught in crossfire. the war must end no matter the outcome or which side has to make which concessions.

    Okay, so how can Russia unilaterally stop NATO’s aggression without a military action that you condemn so much?

    Also, still not seeing any condemnation of NATO, NATO’s disinformation campaigns, or an actual valid alternative for Russia.



  • who said i don´t oppose?

    You are literally trying to engage in propaganda in favour of the most prolific invader in the world - NATO.
    Let’s be honest, you do not condemn NATO, you do not bring up NATO everywhere you can the way you do with Russia, and you do want to be a beneficiary of its colonial atrocities.

    if i say “russia is bad” i´m not implying “NATO is good”

    99.97% of the time, that’s exactly what you (plural) do. If you are an exception, then I welcome you to prove me wrong.

    is everything black and white in your world?

    My world is a lot less monochrome than the world of people who go ‘Russia bad! Everything that contradicts NATO’s propaganda is Russian disinfo! Russia should roll over and die for my empire!’


  • that´s the narrative used to invade a country.

    You are fine with invasions. You never condemn things like invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran, etc.

    lemmy is filled with pure russian disinfo posts

    Case in point for the meme.
    You automatically assume that whatever contradicts the narrative of the ‘Iraq has WMDs’ people is false. No regard for any of the actual facts.












  • I’m literally returning your arguments as you’ve made them to me

    You aren’t, as asking me superficially similar questions doesn’t actually produce the same arguments. My questions can only serve as arguments due to you making relevant accusations and denials.
    That and the fact that you literally tried to equate making grammar mistakes with your empire carrying out a literal genocide.

    It’s pretty obvious that you can’t name even 5 non-nazi Dems, can’t point to any good effects gained through voting in the US, can’t point to any mistakes that I have made, and you are overwhelmingly likely in favour of the Lebensraum against the Palestinian people.