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  • I know this convo was 2 weeks ago, but they published a great article that includes how Identify is handled that answers our questions.

    https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-ethos

    Effectively identify is as the PDS level. So if Bluesky goes down and your account were through Bluesky you’d lose your identity ?*

    If your account is held through another platform like Spark or your own self hosted PDS your identity would remain live.

    *My question that sparked from this is if Bluesky went down and you’re already logged into a second platform, when you log into that second platform does it duplicate your DID? I’m assuming not and you’d still lose it because logins are through OIDC and the keys still exist on Bluesky.

    Regardless the true path to decentralization should be everyone hosting their own identity on their own PDS w/ identity but that might be a longshot. The path to decentralization is effectively allowed but will people take advantage of it?







  • Their federation doesn’t work the same as Lemmy & Mastodon there’s no federation to individual servers.

    If Bluesky introduced ads to their app, you can take all Bluesky data from the relay and host your own app without ads. This is working today and easy to do.

    If they started charging for access to the relay you can host your own relay and it will parse all users data for you to use. This is also working today but it’s a little expensive.

    Something would have to SIGNIFICANTLY change with the protocol for Bluesky to change how the relay interacts with the PDS, that would require such a large infrastructure change there’s no reason even questioning further.

    The reason you don’t see anyone doing it right now is because there’s not much incentive to. On Lemmy we’re each on our own little “community” but Bluesky is just here’s everyones data no matter what when hosting a relay.


  • I actually view it the opposite. Lemmy isn’t necessarily doomed from the start but we will not reach mass adoption because we are too clunky to use for most users because of its distributed nature.

    Bluesky has enabled tons of non tech users to immediately reap the rewards without having to worry about instances or who can see their posts, while maintaining decentralization (albeit with a high cost).

    The true path forward will probably be a world like Bluesky but instead of running your own relay, you’re contributing compute power to a Kubernetes cluster. Instances and having to worry about federation is far too clunky for most users, it’s the reason mastodon never saw mass adoption while Bluesky almost immediately did.