Is this one of the “team building” songs they make you sing at MS?

“You pay me to do what I do, so you don’t have to worry about it.”

My dishwasher is completely fine without the cloud. Period. Full stop.

OP reports loss of functionality. Functions, that are, quite frankly standard features on all not-IoT machines. Functionality which, frankly, you paid for, and which in no way actually require homecontrol to use.

There is no need to put it on the network, but if you want to, and are paranoid, you can connect it to an isolated network. If you dont want to, dont, and the dishwasher will work.

only if you find it acceptable to not have full functionality. “you can put it on an isolated network”… is very much like “let them eat cake.”

Particularly if you consider the trend to force this in all sorts of things- ranging from toasters, refridgerators, ovens, stovetops, coffee makers, etc. Inorder to adequately protect mimizie the risks associated with these devices, you’d have to have a dedicated network for each one.

and yes, the reason they’re forcing you to use the home control app to get these features is to intrude into your privacy.

Notifications aside, none of the functions it enables require internet access, or even network access. There’s exactly zero reason to put it on the network. And as for notifications, I don’t know anyone that’s going to rush home or stop what they’re doing to put dishes away the moment the machine is finished cleaning them. is it possible you’re an exception to that? sure. I guess. but the vast majority of people- in my experience- won’t be finding anything that actually requires internet for to be all that useful.

Which- in case there was any confusion- is why they shut off functions people use all the time. To force people to use their app. Which, if they weren’t some how making money off that app, ask yourself why they’d care?

They’re making money off the app. which suggests they’re selling something they get from the app. (I suppose they could be using your IoT devices to mine crypto when you’re not using it… but that’s got it’s own issues.)

simple. fire the asshole.

This is pathetic.

I’m glad you enjoy your home connect. A dishwasher shouldn’t need an internet connection to function. Period. Full stop.

“Just put it on an isolated network” is ridiculous advice, when there shouldn’t even be a need.

Even if you assume there are no vulnerabilities to find, even if you assume their administrators are never evil, the only reason to require cloud service is to invade my privacy and collect data.

That’s it. They’re selling your data. Maybe you are fine with that. We are not.

would you believe me if I said I meant bowler cap? or maybe a top hat?

(and this is where I find out that Hannah Montana linux uses a top hat for a logo, lol)

<chuckles> We use dnf here.

<tips hat and runs>

protests are happening everywhere, in every state, though they’re mostly small. the news isn’t covering a lot of them because there’s no rioters and the news can’t push a narrative that people hate trump.

Unless you happen to live fairly close… which is fairly not likely…. So you drive to a rally point or someplace near some transit (or with plausible deniability,) etc. to get in.

Or just conceal your plates and don’t drive something flashy,

there is something to be said about being connected to others. particularly for protests that move around or so you can let people know you’re driving home etc vs locked up for bullshit.

it’s also convenient as a form of souseveillance. Just remember pictures and video are evidence, that cuts both ways; especially in the face of cops being excessive.

(opps, wrong person,)

Not really.

Most new phones use other identifiers. You might be able to buy very cheap prepaid phones or cards for them, but they’re going away from swappable sims.

For most carriers, if you occasionally want to swap to a different device it’s just a matter of going to your account online and swapping it (for example, travel. It’s safer to use a clean device rather than your normal phone. Both for border crossings and everything else.)

I highly recommend graphene.

And for anyone going to a protest to get a cheap burner and flash graphene, then leave your normal phone at home. You can swap phones on your plan pretty easily.

Alternatively, for the very paranoid, go set up a prepaid and anon line and move your device there. Pay cash for the card and set it up online at a public library.

Especially if you’re planning on a little civil disobedience.

Just a reminder, if police think something is about to go down, they’ll spoof the tower and collect device information… including things like phone numbers so if your suddenly changing behavior to go somewhere and do something the fascists dickfucks in office won’t like… best be paranoid.

A second device will still at least keep them from getting all your personal shit. And seriously, Don’t just turn off your normal phone. Leave it at home.

Yes. But you have to spoof your browser credentials.

You couldn’t pay me enough to fly just now.

(Alright I lie. I’ll do it, but you have to pay up front and add in life insurance.)

Last time I bought Pringle’s it was for science- they have some interesting aerodynamics.

The time before that, it was on a bet about turning the can and some pencils into a WiFi antenna. (That won me some real crispschips.)

Have you considered…. Chewing?

I’m not sure we should be taking advice of which side from people who still drive on the wrong side of the road.

(Edit: oh, this is from Germany. Yeah, guess you’re right-side drivers.)

If it ain’t broke… maintain it.

so… send it to Helen?

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