being vegan is a big one for me, no bigger turn-off than watching someone eating a carcass

I post things in English because the audience here speaks that.

The thing with your source is that 98% of state communist in the region are Russian sympathizers and as such legitimate targets in war conditions. They will be oppressed for siding with enemy

your response did illustrate my point well though

it doesn’t prove anything, I was making a joke that in the US a guy running for Senate had straight up Nazi tattoo on him, the problem isn’t limited to Eastern Europe.

in fact it seems like the nazism problem in Ukraine is more of a civil society problem, as in rather than getting state crackdowns on speech, if you say the wrong thing you might get a group of patriots showing up at your door to teach you a lesson.

here’s a video from a ukrainian communist in kharkiv explaining the issue, translated by a ukrainian from mariupol

fwiw, in the US we have a guy running for senate as a Democrat who had a totenkopf on his chest, in the same style as those used by neonazi ukrainian groups such as misanthropic division

it was here, the ragebait was too obvious so I disengaged lol

‘tankie’ is used a pejorative for any leftist, just like ‘red’ or ‘commie’ or ‘pinko’ was. You apply it to them because they say one thing, and automatically ascribe to them all of the other things that you dislike. It’s a caricature.

I linked two different threads of people unanimously shitting on purported communists who are reactionary or offer full support to the war in ukraine and you read it as them being ‘aligned on the war in ukraine’. I don’t really know what else to say if you’re just going to read the opposite.

I find it’s more often the people complaining loudly about ‘tankies’ who are starting off with slogans and an uncritical reading of their own sides history.

Once again, most leftist anti-tankies already criticize the US.

The ‘vaguely left’ poster that’s one of the main ‘anti-tankies’ is constantly posting NAFO shit and anticommunism. I don’t think that we are in agreement on what ‘leftist’ is, beyond a self-identification.

This is what makes up the bulk of controversy on tankies on the fediverse and outside it.

The biggest shit-stirrers on this front don’t tend to express issues with authoritarianism under capitalism. In fact they tend to be the first to browbeat people to fall in line with western narratives and express contempt at challenging the existing systems. I have no obligation to take them seriously.

The problem is that you’re using tankie now interchangeably with what was originally ‘leninist’ and the goalposts shifted for what they believe.

I can point to a recent thread where these ‘tankies’ are complaining about the fascists larping as communists on reddit ‘tankies’ are not a monolith and the site cultures are clearly different. Here’s a thread where ‘the tankies’ on hexbear are saying that the CPRF should all be shot for supporting the SMO, and that if Putin is praising you then you’re not a communist party.

Most marxists/leninists I’ve known in real life are pretty quick to concede the failures of previous socialist states, because having a critical understanding of history is integral to having a materialist worldview.

If people are just shouting slogans it’s a problem, obviously. However that door swings both ways: I find it’s more often the people complaining loudly about ‘tankies’ who are starting off with slogans and an uncritical reading of their own sides history.

Anarchism is anti-authoritarian, but that’s not really where it ends (to say it’s ‘all about that’ is a bit reductive). The point isn’t just to oppose authority, but to oppose hierarchy and domination. IE systems where authority becomes permanent, coercive, and self-justifying.

Anarchists aren’t going to oppose a doctor giving orders in the middle of surgery, or say that teachers have to get a vote from their class before being allowed to assign homework.

The problem is the structural authority where participation isn’t voluntary and the power can’t be revoked. This is why opposing the state, class society and capitalism is such a common refrain.

That’s why I said there’s common ground between marxists and anarchists. Both traditions start from the same diagnosis: the capitalist state is a machine of class domination. We both want to abolish exploitation and create a classless, stateless society. We can disagree about if some heirarchies can still be used temporarily for the purpose of liberation, however that’s a strategic debate with a shared revolutionary objective, not some huge moral divide.

At the end of the day, anarchists and marxists want the same thing: a society without without rulers, landlords, or bosses.

The disagreement is about how to get there, not about if people should be free at all.

‘defending’ 🙄

it’s that I find there’s more common ground with them than with the centrist extremists who get so worked up about their existence.

Just yesterday I had one such person who started off calling me a tankie immediately pivot to ‘yeah well anarchism is bullshit too’

glad you’ve stopped posting to .world, at least we can agree on JL

for me the annoyance was that it was reposts from .ml to .world, not even uplifting smaller instances. just part of the personal crusade from people who are also drama farmers

Also remember you are the anarchist on .ml

hell yeah

it’s funny because I know them because for a while they were systematically reposting everything from lemmy.ml communities to drive traffic away from “the tankies”. the first impression was of a total asshole

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I don’t think Lemmy is big or important enough for any state actors to be devoting resources to it

Как я могла забыть про стиль!

There’s a lot to the troika, it’s been associated with Russia for centuries. Literally means ‘a group of three’.

The configuration of two horses galloping with one horse trotting in the middle allowed for high speeds across vast distances and is commonly referenced in russian literature, particularly authors like Pushkin, Gogol, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, etc.

It’s also pretty associated with the trinity (troitsa). Triplicity is a major feature of Russian folklore and culture in general; the three brothers, the three trials, three roads, three kisses, etc.

For revolutionaries it was the smallest organizing unit for a number of reasons and was present in both early anarchist and bolshevik cells. Some advantages were that it was agile, hard to infiltrate, and doesn’t need a leader, rather a shared direction. In many ways an anti-hierarchical organizing pattern.

In the Stalin era it got a bit more of a sinister connotation as a ‘troika’ would be the group of officials signing off on sentences.

For a while now there’s been a group of NAFO-adjacent shit-stirrers obsessing over the malign influence of the so-called ‘tankie triad’ which is lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net. This style of posting has been dubbed ‘feudposting’, and I’m parodying it in the OP.

The joke I am making is that if you’re going for ominous names the ‘tankie troika’ is way more menacing and russian. I made this meme taking that bit to its ridiculous conclusion.

I’m not trying to be rude either tbh. That said I don’t see the danger here that you see. If russia and china are spending money on influence operations on lemmy it’s manifestly a waste of resources. There’s platforms out there with way more reach and that’s why states like the US and Israel are so obsessed with controlling those platforms.

I can appreciate not liking the way people here behave, I do generally encourage people who don’t like the vibe to avoid it.

Since joining Lemmy I have been repeatedly harassed by men on this instance, threatened with murder and rape by users including open Nazis (this was also happening on Reddit), and permabanned for being a woman,

Wow, I knew .world was bad, but holy shit I have never had to deal with anything this egregious in my time here on .ml. That said I did get banned from a .world comm as retaliation for banning jordanlund from /c/transgender when he posted a matt walsh video

Who?

They used to systematically repost everything posted to memes@lemmy.ml to .world due to their raging hatred of the tankie triad