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Germany's position has been reverted to UNDECIDED.
Despite expressing concerns about breaking end-to-end encryption, Germany refrained from taking a definitive stance on the Chat Control proposal during the September 12th LEWP meeting. A willingness to negotiate and compromise remains.
This is an unfortunate development as Germany is crucial to defeating Chat Control.
Please make your voices heard! https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
Source: https://netzpolitik.org/2025/chatkontrolle-noch-haelt-sich-widerstand/
This shit is happening no matter who votes what.
It’s been voted on how many times in the past decade? 5+?
It’ll always keep coming back until it passes. Might as well do it now rather than later. Same with online ID verification. Just bite the pillow while they’re going in dry, it’s the shortest pain.
Like sysiphus, we must continue pushing up the hill, forever. There is no final victory. If you’re tired, trust in others to continue pushing, very understandable. Just don’t piss on the people continuing where you left off.
If this comes to pass I’ll just revert to ways of my youth. I’ll spend more times with books and there is no such thing as online communication or SMS or anything.
No actually ,only self host is solution actually and phones with not installed spyware ,so currently for now phone with lineage os,graphenos or post market is,for desktop is linux distros or haiku or BSD based systems.as tool for communication self host matrix,xmpp,irc,email server
Lol just add 1 to every digit, voila, its no longer the same number.
Or use words to code numbers.
Like the using the first letter of a word to denote a 0/1 bit, and length of the word to denote a second 0/1 bit.
6 bits is enough to depict 64 latin/roman based characters (I mean like A-Z), plus symbols and numbers
3 words is 6 bits
3x5 is 15 words, 15 words is enough to say “hello”
you could further increase the bits per word by also factoring in the last letter of the word
Keep doing that and you’ll have steganography hidden in words.
Are they gonna ban… writing words?
No worries, just encode it in music.
You cannot ban everything, you can hide 1 and 0s anywhere lol.
Like they’ll need a money system (assuming they remain capitalist). Don’t worry big brother, I’m just sending my friend a 89 Euros and 64 cents and saying in the memo “Remember Our Anniversary”, nothing to see here… (8964 = 1989, month 6, day 4, aka: Tiananmen Square Massacre).
Is that number banned? Oops, sorry, I’ll just send my friend 78 Euros and 53 cents (caesar shift of -1). (As an example, of couse actual encryption should be more complex)
The only way they can stop all of it is to jail everyone in vibration-proof/soundproof rooms.
They can snatch a few people, but what if everyone starts doing that?
Well designed steganography would not be easy to detect if the authorities don’t know what they are looking for. Do they just beat random people to find out if they are sending hidden messages?
Okay you caught the person, so what?
XCGHJ DFVBN TYGBJ
With OTP, it could either be
KILL THE EMPEROR
or it could be
Bring the Condom (something that’s embarassing and plausible to want to hide, but not overthrowing the government)
or it could be any 15 character value, just think of any plausible thing you could possibly hide, to downplay what the real message is.
Deniable encryption like that will be a lifesaver if things get bad enough. Though I’m thinking more the kind where the encrypted content on a computer disk is indistinguishable from free space, and you have multiple passwords that decrypt different parts of the filesystem. That way you can be interrogated and/or beaten, “give up” and unlock your computer (using the decoy password), and still hide any incriminating evidence since those files remain hidden with no way for adversaries to even detect that they exist.
This shit is happening no matter who votes what. It’s been voted on how many times in the past decade? 5+? It’ll always keep coming back until it passes. Might as well do it now rather than later. Same with online ID verification. Just bite the pillow while they’re going in dry, it’s the shortest pain.
I hope you take this in the spirit in which it was meant: fuck you and your defeatist edgy apathy. Refuse and resist until the bitter end.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t been fighting for 15+ years with NOTHING to show for it.
I’m just tired. People don’t give a fuck anyway. May it all burn down in nuclear fire soon.
Like sysiphus, we must continue pushing up the hill, forever. There is no final victory. If you’re tired, trust in others to continue pushing, very understandable. Just don’t piss on the people continuing where you left off.
I mean, 19 years as an active member of EFF, but sure. You do you.
If this comes to pass I’ll just revert to ways of my youth. I’ll spend more times with books and there is no such thing as online communication or SMS or anything.
I do what I can to not have that future.
No actually ,only self host is solution actually and phones with not installed spyware ,so currently for now phone with lineage os,graphenos or post market is,for desktop is linux distros or haiku or BSD based systems.as tool for communication self host matrix,xmpp,irc,email server
One Time Pad Lmao
What’s the government gonna do? Ban numbers?
Wouldn’t be the first time a government banned a number
Lol just add 1 to every digit, voila, its no longer the same number.
Or use words to code numbers.
Like the using the first letter of a word to denote a 0/1 bit, and length of the word to denote a second 0/1 bit.
6 bits is enough to depict 64 latin/roman based characters (I mean like A-Z), plus symbols and numbers
3 words is 6 bits
3x5 is 15 words, 15 words is enough to say “hello”
you could further increase the bits per word by also factoring in the last letter of the word
Keep doing that and you’ll have steganography hidden in words.
Are they gonna ban… writing words?
No worries, just encode it in music.
You cannot ban everything, you can hide 1 and 0s anywhere lol.
Like they’ll need a money system (assuming they remain capitalist). Don’t worry big brother, I’m just sending my friend a 89 Euros and 64 cents and saying in the memo “Remember Our Anniversary”, nothing to see here… (8964 = 1989, month 6, day 4, aka: Tiananmen Square Massacre).
Is that number banned? Oops, sorry, I’ll just send my friend 78 Euros and 53 cents (caesar shift of -1). (As an example, of couse actual encryption should be more complex)
The only way they can stop all of it is to jail everyone in vibration-proof/soundproof rooms.
They can snatch a few people, but what if everyone starts doing that?
Well designed steganography would not be easy to detect if the authorities don’t know what they are looking for. Do they just beat random people to find out if they are sending hidden messages?
Okay you caught the person, so what?
XCGHJ DFVBN TYGBJ
With OTP, it could either be
KILL THE EMPEROR
or it could be
Bring the Condom (something that’s embarassing and plausible to want to hide, but not overthrowing the government)
or it could be any 15 character value, just think of any plausible thing you could possibly hide, to downplay what the real message is.
Deniable encryption like that will be a lifesaver if things get bad enough. Though I’m thinking more the kind where the encrypted content on a computer disk is indistinguishable from free space, and you have multiple passwords that decrypt different parts of the filesystem. That way you can be interrogated and/or beaten, “give up” and unlock your computer (using the decoy password), and still hide any incriminating evidence since those files remain hidden with no way for adversaries to even detect that they exist.
Inb4 I get arrested for butt texting.