There are five different file pickers on my system and I never know which application uses which one, or if my bookmarks will appear in them, or if the dialog will respect theming or display icons from a light theme on a dark background. Speaking of theming, it’s a shitshow. QT and GTK apps never look even similar, and the existence of Adwaita isn’t helping. If you want a flatpak app to use your preferred cursor, you have to manually grant it access to additional paths, then it’s a 50/50 chance. There is massive feature fragmentation between Wayland compositors, especially with GNOME, the “user-friendly one” dragging its feet (pun intended). We didn’t even have a functional on-screen keyboard until recently in Plasma. Xorg wasn’t any better – you had to choose between high input latency (compositor on) or massive screen tearing (compositor off), and it was a maintenance nightmare. But let’s not forget about audio either: the first time I tried to switch to Linux ~2016, I could never get PulseAudio to work reliably.
These are only the issues I’ve personally come across. I’m sure others could add to the list. Having a preference of desktops is fine and I would never deprive you of that right, but saying that the Linux desktop experience across the board is “easier to use and more functional” than everything else, and especially claiming it has “been for a long time”, is untrue, and fucking stupid. That’s why you’re getting downvoted.
And don’t you think I didn’t notice how you never actually presented any arguments for your claims.
There are five different file pickers on my system and I never know which application uses which one, or if my bookmarks will appear in them, or if the dialog will respect theming or display icons from a light theme on a dark background
I have a rolling desktop for the past 5 years and a laptop installed for the past one year on a stable release. I have none of that. Bookmarks? What do you mean by bookmarks and file browsers? I will agree that in some applications the GTK save dialogs while looking the same, do have a different sort order. But guess what? Windows does this too depending on the application.
QT and GTK apps never look even similar, and the existence of Adwaita isn’t helping.
Mine are pretty much the same, cant really tell the difference.
If you want a flatpak app to use your preferred cursor, you have to manually grant it access to additional paths, then it’s a 50/50 chance.
Never seen that before. Cursor stays the same. Again, you can add packages to windows that has similar issues.
We didn’t even have a functional on-screen keyboard until recently in Plasma.
That may be true, I don’t know. You think the average user is going to want an on-screen keyboard? Either way Plasma has one now.
2016 - 9 years ago you had issues with Pulse Audio? I guess I have had a few over the last 20. But Windows did as well. Hell my net work card on my laptop was half speed on windows 14 years ago, when in linux it worked fine.
I stand by what I said. You can make windows a shit show as well, hell the Windows pushed nvidia driver update this summer to friends computer meant all games go to black screen. Had to unsintall drivers, do a regedit, a little powershell and it was back. Yeah that was fun. Point is you can bork any computer.
I have done nothing with this laptop I am typing on except update it and add software. Everything is sensible: packages are organized. Files are were I want them and put them. Unlike windows I have a consistent and easy to use settings tool. I have a package “store” that also unlike windows doesnt try and override my choices.
There are no ads, no XBOX live icon that wont go away without hidden settings, no push to get me to a new account online just to use my computer, no regedit and powershell fuckery needed, no uninstall issues where if I deleted the package that created it, it wont go away. There is no co-pilot and AI crap, no MSN on the front page of my browser, no attempt to force me to use any particular browser. There is no double deep right click menus in my file manager and I have the choice of icons words or both on my dialogs. I don’t go to one settings tool and end up in a completely different one as I am making choices, like windows does. I can copy paste nearly every thing I see on screen in those dialogs too.
All the workflows are sensible. Clipboard that works out of the box and has memory, a better mouse pad with three and two finger consistency. File manager can drag and drop everywhere. Everything I do in windows is extra steps and a bit later: WHY!?
And the most important part? Everytime I take someone who really has never used a comptuer, windows confuses them. Linux confuses them too, but not nearly as much. They get it, they know what to click on and get things done in a fairly short amount of time.
True. But each of them are more or less polished enough for any user.
I mean pick one.
Give me the argument that this isn’t true.
There are five different file pickers on my system and I never know which application uses which one, or if my bookmarks will appear in them, or if the dialog will respect theming or display icons from a light theme on a dark background. Speaking of theming, it’s a shitshow. QT and GTK apps never look even similar, and the existence of Adwaita isn’t helping. If you want a flatpak app to use your preferred cursor, you have to manually grant it access to additional paths, then it’s a 50/50 chance. There is massive feature fragmentation between Wayland compositors, especially with GNOME, the “user-friendly one” dragging its feet (pun intended). We didn’t even have a functional on-screen keyboard until recently in Plasma. Xorg wasn’t any better – you had to choose between high input latency (compositor on) or massive screen tearing (compositor off), and it was a maintenance nightmare. But let’s not forget about audio either: the first time I tried to switch to Linux ~2016, I could never get PulseAudio to work reliably.
These are only the issues I’ve personally come across. I’m sure others could add to the list. Having a preference of desktops is fine and I would never deprive you of that right, but saying that the Linux desktop experience across the board is “easier to use and more functional” than everything else, and especially claiming it has “been for a long time”, is untrue, and fucking stupid. That’s why you’re getting downvoted.
And don’t you think I didn’t notice how you never actually presented any arguments for your claims.
I have a rolling desktop for the past 5 years and a laptop installed for the past one year on a stable release. I have none of that. Bookmarks? What do you mean by bookmarks and file browsers? I will agree that in some applications the GTK save dialogs while looking the same, do have a different sort order. But guess what? Windows does this too depending on the application.
Mine are pretty much the same, cant really tell the difference.
Never seen that before. Cursor stays the same. Again, you can add packages to windows that has similar issues.
That may be true, I don’t know. You think the average user is going to want an on-screen keyboard? Either way Plasma has one now.
2016 - 9 years ago you had issues with Pulse Audio? I guess I have had a few over the last 20. But Windows did as well. Hell my net work card on my laptop was half speed on windows 14 years ago, when in linux it worked fine.
I stand by what I said. You can make windows a shit show as well, hell the Windows pushed nvidia driver update this summer to friends computer meant all games go to black screen. Had to unsintall drivers, do a regedit, a little powershell and it was back. Yeah that was fun. Point is you can bork any computer.
I have done nothing with this laptop I am typing on except update it and add software. Everything is sensible: packages are organized. Files are were I want them and put them. Unlike windows I have a consistent and easy to use settings tool. I have a package “store” that also unlike windows doesnt try and override my choices.
There are no ads, no XBOX live icon that wont go away without hidden settings, no push to get me to a new account online just to use my computer, no regedit and powershell fuckery needed, no uninstall issues where if I deleted the package that created it, it wont go away. There is no co-pilot and AI crap, no MSN on the front page of my browser, no attempt to force me to use any particular browser. There is no double deep right click menus in my file manager and I have the choice of icons words or both on my dialogs. I don’t go to one settings tool and end up in a completely different one as I am making choices, like windows does. I can copy paste nearly every thing I see on screen in those dialogs too.
All the workflows are sensible. Clipboard that works out of the box and has memory, a better mouse pad with three and two finger consistency. File manager can drag and drop everywhere. Everything I do in windows is extra steps and a bit later: WHY!?
And the most important part? Everytime I take someone who really has never used a comptuer, windows confuses them. Linux confuses them too, but not nearly as much. They get it, they know what to click on and get things done in a fairly short amount of time.
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